Dr. Jan Holden and I co-presented on September 1, 2018 at the International Association for Near-Death Studies (IANDS) Conference. Our session was live-streamed as well. As presented in my book Driving Into Infinity, I talked about my out-of-body experience with my brother 3 days after his funeral and many other after-death communications and strange events. Dr. Holden presented information that related how my experience was so much more like a near-death experience.